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Heartbreaking as we have talked about for two weeks, but i think what's changed in the last few days, sandra, these people have not only been through so much to get here as i said, 4 or 5-day journeys, but so much in their home towns before they left. i mean, we are talking to people now who had literally been through the war. people from kharkiv, for example, i met a number of young mothers with their children who just saw their town getting absolutely destroyed, literally. a mother i spoke to yesterday, i was getting into a conversation about whether civilians were being hit versus military ...

Impeachment hearings? >> they may but i don't think that that's a reason that -- i have not heard journalists talking that way. that may be going on in the background or in corporate offices but i don't think that journalists even really think that way. >> back to sap's point it's important to separate between commentatorses who do want impeachment and advocating for it, liberal journalists at left leaning magazines advocating for it versus news rooms and journalists. >> i do think as match said, you have to draw a distinction between commentators and news reporters. and there's a big differen...