they are not even given any dignity and then having to be buried in mass graves because the russians won t stop shelling the civilian areas. that s what ukraine is dealing with today and it s part of the reason we have seen ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy day in and day out plead with the international community for more sanctions but more importantly, military support, air defense systems, anti-tank missiles and ammunition to push back against the russian invasion. john: it s john here, i want to come out to the touch screen map so we can show the area you ve been talking, the city of mariupol. this was the proposed route for the evacuees to take and on up here, which of course people will recognize, that s where the big nuclear power plant is. it looks like maybe some people got out, but not the number of people we thought initially was going to get out, and i want to go to the map here of an area
them like rats. so, this does to an extent bring about some equality, because the russians have dominance but not air superiority. so, this does certainly change the dynamic, and changes the dynamic in a way the people here in ukraine want very much because they feel with their fighting spirit and fighting for their home they have an advantage if you can keep everything equal on the ground, now what you ve done instead is made things more equal in the sky, depending on how this is executed. john: it s john here. i m wondering what the reaction of vladimir putin is going to be to all of this. i assume it s not going to be good. no, and you heard him say that any act like this or planes taking off, etc., would be perceived as an act of war on the part of the west. and it s very interesting how hard and fast that line at the polish border is in terms of both e.u. and nato.
in this hell, a little life without a family. sandra, every single person you speak to, every person you come across in this city and the outskirts around it have been affected, left behind their family, their loved ones, life is going to be different for every person in this country. it is heartbreaking to hear some of these stories, and bring you back here to the scene in kyiv, we heard some gunfire close by to where we are and picking up of shelling in the last 30 seconds or so in the outskirts. we will keep you updated. very on edge right now. news the convoy has spread out, news this other convoy from the east is making rapid progress on the city, we keep asking every day. is this the day when they finally strike kyiv, we don t know, we don t know. john: it s john, take a couple of deep breaths after watching that very powerful piece and those are images that will move the world, to what i don t know, but definitely move of the world. come out here to the map for a
troops there as they throw a fire power demonstration showing us how they will sort of protect this region in the event of an escalation. sandra. john: it s john here. the baltic states are a beautiful place, i m envious you get a chance to visit with folks there. there was this concern that if putin rolled into ukraine that he would not stop as you have been pointing out and keep rolling, and through belarus and lithuania, and estonia, and the problem the russian forces are having in ukraine, are the spirits somewhat buoyed this may not continue past ukraine if putin manages to get control of ukraine? i think the big word here is unpredictable, they don t know what s going to happen next and look at their history, they have a history of occupation, whether it s nazi germany or you have, you know, their neighbor to the east of here, russia, or soviet union. so it s very unpredictable
no changes until you are ready to execute and coordinate a comprehensive plan to ensure a secure, humane process at the border, and administration is expected to announce that title 42 will be lifted by the end of may. sandra. john: it s john here. i want to ask you a quick question before we let you go. you asked kate beddingfield yesterday if the white house wanted ukraine to win and she danced around the question. a few moments ago john kirby said yes, definitely we want ukraine to win. that s different than what has been said so far. it s certainly different and significant it s coming from the pentagon versus, you know, the broader administration, not to say that they are entirely different but i think that his position, you know, dealing with our military versus the white house in this place where they are doing diplomacy, nervous