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As many people think. he operates under this deterrence defense umbrella from russia and iran and that is a dangerous situation because assad and the military think they could do the things they allegedly just did. >> even just the word "hoax", it doesn't -- doesn't them calling this a hoax doesn't this put trump in an odd spot given the fact he uses the term hoax when quite often describing facts he doesn't like. >> i think the use of that term is not an accident. russia has been saying things that are fake news just as much as the trump administration. so perhaps they're trying to strike a c...

You fight back -- john, you fight back. oh, it's obstruction. so here is the thing. i hope so. >> with me now, robert bauer, former white house counsel for the obama administration. a pleasure. welcome to cnn. >> thank you. >> first, just listening to the president, fighting back, obstruction and, p.s., we can't crawl into the president's mind to know what he was referencing. what do you take of his obstruction of justice definition there? >> i don't know that he was lawyering. >> what does that mean? >> i don't know that he was articulating a legal basis. if i had to guess i would say that he...