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Very nice man, he was just concerned about us. he said everything can be replaced except for us. so everything -- it's very unfortunate, but he took it really well. considering. jane: especially when we're looking at these pictures, breaking it bits and going to the bottom. donald, have you been able to look at at this video and these photographs? >> oh yeah, and we got off at the right time. jane: that's for sure. >> that's the way i look at it, we got off at the right time. jane: donald and natalie, we're glad you were able to go with -- to be with us and smiling today. that was quite an exp...

So are we going to have things that help us make them more reliable and more secure, and the npr was a little troubling in that way. and let's step back even further, jon. what did we get by this assurance to the world that we're not going to use nucleolar weapons on a nonnucleolar state? look, when we didn't have that promise we had proliferation, india, pakistan, south korea, all -- actually, north korea, all of them got nucleolar weapons, it's as if we're engaged in some sort of search for some kind of sort of self-proclaimed moral standing that may have no practical impact on the real worl...

Country, are taught to escape first. they're taught to try to get out of the mine the way they came in first. they retreat to a chamber or rescue shelter as a last resort. when they have made the determination, if their training has taken, if they have made the determination that they need to go to a shelter, that that's the last place that they would go. the shelter is a sophisticated barricade in my opinion. >> is there any evidence at this point that you believe anyone is alive down there, is there any actual evidence of that? >> we don't have any at this point, but we just have hope >> how...

Exactly what's going on right now. >> let me say this, as we finish up -- >> jon: that's what's happening in montcoal as governor joe manchin steps up there to address questions about the rescue efforts at the performance coal mine. a mixed bag of news there. yes, the drilling is going very well, one air hole, already punched through into that mine, where an explosion earlier in the week took the lives of so many miners. one other hole, hof way completed, it has led officials to decide to drill a third hole to try to rescue four miners who are still missing. but they admit, there is no evidenc...

>> so the rescuers will have to go in 2 miles to get to that refuge. >> they'll ride in a certain assistance distance, they won't walk in from the outside. we'll get them in as quickly as possible for them to get in as far as we can. >> did you say there is not really significant debris between the way out and all the way in there? >> well, the debris starts around where the man trip was out, where the nine miners were on their way out. up to that point we can have access up to there pretty quickly. >> but now the debris is past there -- >> naturally, your debris is going to be in your explosi...