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Interest your reaction to this court opening. the republican party is an anti-abortion party almost entirely, that's a sort of consensus view. the legal stars of the conservative movement in the republican party are opposed to abortion. many think that roe was terribly decided and sloppy. and then awful a sudden everyone gets bizarrely quiet when the opportunity is up for a supreme court justice who would presumably provided fifth vote to overturn roe. and i don't quite get it. is it just politics? is it fear of the politics of it? >> well, look, chris, i'm in my early 40s, and i remember the ...

Shut out and that's roe poisoning the system that way and people mobilizing is not at all inconsistent with what you're saying, irin is exactly the point. the anti-abortion movement in this country is incredibly strong tore precisely the reason they want to see abortion banned. that is why -- >> ruth bader ginsburg agrees with leon. he had would have preferred it was left to the states. but we also have 45 years of precedent and people who have organized their lives around legal abortion and we also have conservatives on the supreme court who have voted to uphold federal bans. so the notion th...

Reproductive freedom but there is absolutely no question that gorsuch, roberts, and anyone who is appointed to replace kennedy if trump appoints someone and they're confirmed for this senate, they are gunning to roe. it's only a question of how explicit will they be, how long will they take to get there, what legal theory they'll use but this is something the right has been working on for 45 years and has finally gotten herr chance. >> i will note leon's last point about feeling democratically shut out and that's roe poisoning the system that way and people mobilizing is not at all inconsisten...

O'connor, anthony kennedy, all three appointed by republicans, all three voting to uphold the core holding roe. if that happened, if donald trump were to appoint a justice who would uphold the holding of roe work conservatives feel angry and betrayed? >> i think you only have to look back to 1992. i think that was one of the key elements that led to george h.w. bush being defeated, that and the tax hike. i think those are the to things that as a republican president you cannot do, which is number one raise taxes and number two appoint a liberal justice to the supreme court. in previous years y...

Would who's going to be my vice president. i have a slate of candidates. that's never been done before. >> yeah, both the sort of explicit promise and the slate of candidates, which to leon i think leon helped him with conservatives. these are the five that sayering a on the short list now. thomas hardman, raymond keth lej, amy coney barrett and bret cavanaugh who people have been talking about forever. you have david suter, sandra day o'connor, anthony kennedy, all three appointed by republicans, all three voting to uphold the core holding roe. if that happened, if donald trump were to appoin...