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Holding up libya as a model, where libya under gadhafi gave up its nukes and then gadhafi was gone a decade later. how much sway behind the scenes are we seeing john bolton have here? >> he's an important voice, but the president has contradicted him on whether the libyan model is at play here. the president really wants denuclearization. that's what he's pushing for. the question is whether that's something that is achievable given that kim jong-un's security is paramount here. that's what the elites in north korea value the most. that's what he is most concerned about. and there doesn't seem...

Boxing himself into a corner. >> ken, let's dig deeper in terms of what it is the president's looking for and what is shaping his thinking when it comes to that question what he's looking for. because i think a lot of folks are looking at his national security adviser, john bolton, some of the comments he's made publicly about wanting regime change in north korea, about holding up libya as a model, where libya under gadhafi gave up its nukes and then . how much. >> he's an important voice, but the president has contradicted him on whether the libyan model is at play here. the president really ...

Comes to that question what he's looking for. because i think a lot of folks are looking at his national security adviser, john bolton, some of the comments he's made publicly about wanting regime change in north korea, about holding up libya as a model, where libya under gadhafi gave up its nukes and then gadhafi was gone a decade later. how much sway behind the scenes are we seeing john bolton have here? >> he's an important voice, but the president has contradicted him on whether the libyan model is at play here. the president really wants denuclearization. that's what he's pushing for. the...