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Offenders. it's a dangerous place. >> you wonder why some of the inmates who are so violent earn the special privileges like the honor block which some have been suggested should be banned. what do you think of that james? >> i don't agree with that at all. it wasn't the honor block that allowed the inmates to escape, it was the employees that brought in the tools that allowed them to cut out of their cell. if they had been in general population they could have cut out and accessed those tunnels. >> thank you so much appreciate it. and still to come right here in "newsroom," concern about an...

His other buddy there. jean kacasarez, thank you so much. the key players are on administrative leave and so what is going on at this prison? let's bring in an expert chris minton who spent 20 years working within the massachusetts department of corrections. great to have you on. >> thank you, brooke. >> we were just talking about this practice run that these two killers pulled off the night before and you just heard jean casarez say possibly that's when the guards on the honor block could sleep. my question is -- and this is from spending too much time at the movies and not inside a prison wh...

They'll throw in the their mouth, come back and, wolf they sit at a table very similar to this in the visiting rooms. there's no plexiglas with a screen to talk to. it's just like you and i and the women can lean over the table, they can touch their husband, hold hands and as soon as they kiss him, she just passes the balloon of heroine to him. >> there are video cameras watching everything going on. >> no. >> well there should be. >> absolutely. there should be a lot of heightened security measures there there. but the way the sedate works, it's the bottom dollar they want money. >> who wants...

Extra piece of meat a week but that's significant because he's going to have everything taken away from him. those small things will make a big difference. >> i think these key. a lot of people are asking what does he have to gain? he's going to be behind bars for the rest of his life in solitary confinement for some of that time. they do have some bargaining chips. >> there's no question about that. that's why, look for david sweat if he can sort of expose what was going on in this prison he could be key. he could also for example, provide information if anybody else was involved any other pr...

There at the end of the day. >> with the superintendent and the deputy superintendent for security. and the tour commanders and the sergeants. it runs downhill. these people should have been doing their job. in following that directive that i spoke about earlier, that's correction 101. if that was followed even if one correction officer who cycled into the honor block in the last 12 weeks did his or her job, if one of them on the midnight tour went by the cells and checked for lines of life to check to see if those inmates were there, this probably would have been foiled. it's a total breakdow...