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Central component to any good campaign. >> right, but particularly with the iowa caucuses because it's all about getting a small group of devoted --in the case of democratic party in iowa very liberal caucus goers who might be attracted to bernie sanders. it's making your case corralling them literally, getting them to caucuses so they will support you. hillary clinton had a bad experience in iowa last time she ran and she understand what is it's like to be on the wrong side of that so they've got a lot of money, they're spending it, they're organizing she's sending a lot of time there and she...

Interview with cnn's brianna keel already a, clinton attacked the stance of jeb bush. >> they're a spectrum of hostility in a nation of immigrants like ours all the way to grudging acceptance but refusal to go with a pathway to citizenship. >> let's continue this discussion with gloria borger jeff zeleny and senior political reporter nia-malika henderson. first i wanted to mention that jeb bush's camp immediately responded in a statement saying hillary clinton has once again changed her position on an issue for political expedient purposes after voting for the poison pill amendment that stoppe...

President obama's white house believes is legally feasible. hillary clinton will say anything to get elect and her numerous flip-flops on immigration prove it." i wonder what he really thinks. it's going to be a long election. >> it is. but i first want to go to you, jeff, you got back from capitol hill on another response to an important news-maching part of this interview brianna did when hillary clinton said she hasn't received a subpoena from the benghazi committee. you talked to its chairman. >> pointedly she said she's never received a subpoena. we got back with from trey gowdy who showe...

Sanders getting these crowds in places like maine and wisconsin and here she is saying it's not necessarily about the crowds that you can draw but this boring work behind the scenes where it's door to door and you're organizing folks. it doesn't make poor good press releases or television but in terms of what you need to do, the nuts and bolts of campaigning. i talked to donors about this too. they can tell the difference between what this campaign is like going into 2016 versus what it was like in 2008. >> now i think it's fair to say hillary clinton had her answers ready. [ laughter ] that's...

That to herself. >> that's what she sounds like in the house parties when she's out meeting people. is laughing a lot. when you hear that laugh, that's a genuine hillary clinton moment. >> something we're not seeing which might not be the end of the world. what struck you about that? >> i thought she's really talking about this cultural moment we're in that in some ways benefits her, this idea that it's time for a woman to be on -- on either a 10 or 20 or in the white house as well so i thought that was interesting and very in the weeds there right? >> she was debating is it the 10 or 20 didn'...