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Now that he has gone forward, there must be something that we probably won't know until trial that convinced him that there is something to go forward. with a lot of the hoopla that is coming from trump and some of the republican candidates, are the same ones saying that this is political motivated they need to explain why he didn't do this case in the first place if it was politically motivated. if service based on sponsors, they were the same he had or didn't have a year ago i think they're underestimating the solid, quiet strength of this prosecutor. because of that, i don't know if he has ...

For gun control in the republican primary. you know, all of this wreaks of not being able -- ready for primetime. -- rick perry in 2012, a big state governor, a lot of hoopla, a lot of people -- you read the national review and they're just trying desperately to invent something that is not there. and then you get out there and what do you got? the leap from running to governor to running to president is so vast, it is really unimaginable by most staff and most candidates. i think that is what you're seeing here. now he could have -- but i do not see any indication that he would. >> yeah, i've...

And leave. and we're done, right? the variable is, of course, will trump want that and use this as a mean of fund rraising and oth aspects. i wrote for the atlantic, the court system has control over that, and the hoopla to make sure this doesn't turn out to be fundraising for trump. the scary part of it, if no one calls insurrection and no one shows up is he still donald trump? his calls for rally, you're getting pushback from mccarthy, i should say protest, he's not saying violence. and also on social media, you're just not seeing the kind of galvanizing that you saw january 6. there's too m...

Conspiracy theories are now playing against him. so, i'm not too worried about whether we're confronting a january 6th again. there will be hoopla, but there won't be the january 6 kind. >> that's such an interesting point. ron, an indictment is going to test this truism of the republican party in the age of trump. and his grip is so strong that his most fervent supporters have to support him. that lawmakers and officials feel they must appease him. and we've seen the house gop jumping out in front of this. calling on the manhattan d.a. to testify to see if there are any federal funds used in ...

Department of homeland security. juliette, i want to start with security for you, there are serious questions about logistics here in donald trump is going to surrender to a manhattan courtroom, if he's ultimately indicted, it's not just a question of him getting there. there's enormous public interest in this case, obviously, he's a former president and he's called for protest. >> yeah. so, let's start with the first one which is just simply getting a body, that's all he is, from point a. to point b. we know how to do this, even if it involves the secret service. they certainly know how to do...