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The hope vote that will take us forward." we're joined tonight by joan walsh, editor at large salon.com, and michael eric dyson, msnbc political analyst and georgetown university professor. great to have both of you with us. joan, are you buying his answer at this point? >> -- it sounds so clear and he didn't deny it. and you you know, ed, if i said to you, hey, ed, you know, what on your show last night it sounds like you might have said kind of racist about black people, you would say, joan, you must have misheard me because i would never say a thing like that, that's not in my thinking, it'...

Immigrants and now blacks. he is appealing to the fear vote that will take us backward, not the hope vote that will take us forward." we're joined tonight by joan walsh, editor at large salon.com, and michael eric dyson, msnbc political analyst and georgetown university professor. great to have both of you with us. joan, are you buying his answer at this point? >> -- it sounds so clear and he didn't deny it. and you you know, ed, if i said to you, hey, ed, you know, what on your show last night it sounds like you might have said kind of racist about black people, you would say, joan, you must ...

The hope vote that will take us forward." we're joined tonight by joan walsh, editor at large salon.com, and michael eric dyson, msnbc political analyst and georgetown university professor. great to have both of you with us. joan, are you buying his answer at this point? >> -- it sounds so clear and he didn't deny it. and you you know, ed, if i said to you, hey, ed, you know, what on your show last night it sounds like you might have said kind of racist about black people, you would say, joan, you must have misheard me because i would never say a thing like that, that's not in my thinking, it'...

That will take us backward, not the hope vote that will take us forward." we're joined tonight by joan walsh, editor at large salon.com, and michael eric dyson, msnbc political analyst and georgetown university professor. great to have both of you with us. joan, are you buying his answer at this point? >> -- it sounds so clear and he didn't deny it. and you you know, ed, if i said to you, hey, ed, you know, what on your show last night it sounds like you might have said kind of racist about black people, you would say, joan, you must have misheard me because i would never say a thing like that...

Acknowledged it was something he could have said. but after his success in the iowa caucuses he rethought his position. last night he gave a new response. >> i'm pretty confident i didn't say black. what i think -- i started to say a word and sort of blu -- sort of mumbled it and changed my thought. i don't recall saying black. what i started to say is a word and sort of change and it sort of blu -- came out. people said i said black. i didn't. i don't use the term black very much. i use the term african-american more thain use black. >> blu isn't what i heard. let's play it one more time. >> ...