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Growth and innovation in government and the economy. >> one thing we found in the middle is that it was this pragmatism of stop looking backwards. i get it and i know there is appeal in the country, but how do you critique to them? i will start with you. >> it's something that you guys talk about a lot and the country talks about a lot. the lack of relationship and the lack of trust even within members of congress that enabled the environment to have these constructively conversations to say what can we agree on and how can we come up with the substantive policies. that's what aaron and i and ...

Republican gop in a tough position going into 2012. jon: i don't know if you heard jenna's interview with jeff sessions. he's irtaeulted. he's essentially telling the republicans, you have to be the bad guys, you have to propose the cuts in social security and medicare, and some of those entitlement programs where serious numbers, serious dollar numbers need to be shaved if we're going to get the budget under control. why doesn't the president do that? >> reporter: the problem is -- whatever cuts happen have to happen from the house, and the republicans now -- one of the great things of winnin...