Rule or ruin position. but in ways and means, the chairman of that committee, that's really something. and he can guide public policy at least up to a point. so i think it's the better job. >> who is or what is plan b if paul ryan holds to his absolute no? >> well, i think newt gingrich can take to heart that paul ryan is absolutely taking his advice and there are several plan bs right now, though, we're in an odd situation in which the vast majority of the people who say they would run for speaker are saying they'll only run if paul ryan doesn't run. so it's a rare historical moment. but ther...