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focused on kpeechment. on the mulvaney piece aids are more concerned. white house counsel's office is more concerned about np jay sekulow put out a remarkable statement yesterday making clear he didn't know about it. they are trying to mop it up. to your point i want not like members of the house mo were on the fence possibly about voting for impeachment will be swayed by actually i didn't mean to say that it's out there. >> jeff in terms of giuliani and the latest reporting by cnn, that he tried to get a visa for in -- allegedly corrupt former prosecutor who he wanted to come to the united states and went to the white house. is there anything illegal about that? >> well, there is a lot we still don't know. and the most important thing we don't know is where the money was come from for all of this. it's not illegal who was paying giuliani. it's not illegal for him to talk to lots of different people. it remains mysterious like what his ultimate responsibility was. was he working just as the

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