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The house ways and means kevin brady says, no way. we're not going to pass anything that doesn't have it. where are you in that? >> i think what the house did, harris, they exempted property taxes up to $10,000 so they capped it. that's a solution they came up with. i think they believe will get the necessary votes to pass it in the house. in the senate bill, we eliminate the entire deduction for that. we think it's a provision that subsidizes high tax states. but obviously it's a negotiation once you get in. we're listening to the arguments being made by people who think we ought to move clos...

Trying to surf the wave that is donald trump on any given day and especially on tax reform. you guys were digging into that and talking about how you were getting down in the weeds. the challenge for republican leaders is they are sitting down around a table with donald trump and trying to explain all of this to him. that is a little bit of a challenge. you know? there is some confidence he is coming around to where they stand on these things. but he is really new to governing and i think that there is a lot of both public and private kind of frustration going on right now. >> the headline rea...

Taking this in particular, taking what we know to be the republican house position on medicare, what would your, how would your tactics and opposition to that be any different from nancy pelosi's? >> you're right, everybody knows the procedure is much different in the house than the senate, but we have to continue to frame the debate. there are a lot of people in my congressional district and many, many others who voted for donald trump and did not sign up for they didn't sign up for that. so with republicans in charge of all of the government in washington, d.c. and with them in charge of abo...

His hands. >> you're running for the position of leader of the opposition party in the house, and it really doesn't look like there's any prospect to you being able to do much other than simply oppose the republican agenda in the house of representatives. taking this in particular, taking what we know to be the republican house position on medicare, what would your, how would your tactics and opposition to that be any different from nancy pelosi's? >> you're right, everybody knows the procedure is much different in the house than the senate, but we have to continue to frame the debate. there a...

Paul's idea of having conferences which you hear a lost senators, particularly very angry, that never happens anymore, brit? >> no, it doesn't happen the way it used to. regular order of that kind happens on some measures but not on many. the two sides are dug in and far apart. these are the deepist divisions i've seen in 40 years in washington. martha: thank you, brit. >> thank you, mart that. >> that's a statement, 40 years? shortly after the house passed its plan on sunday, john boehner said, quote, the senate must move quickly. if the senate stalls until monday afternoon, which will happen...