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Say we want something other than politics i think is rich. i would agree that if the house had been fair in the way they had done this and not been political, i would join you and charlie and say the senate should do the same thing. that's the danger when you just play politics, it trickles down. now the senate is going to play politics. i think lisa murkowski, she is an upstanding lady. do i think she gets any traction? probably not. she was back home in alaska when she made those comments. who know what is her perspective is going to be when she gets back to d.c. with her fellow republican c...

Get certain things done. >> so the let at the end of the tunnel, when you come back to session, i know the counterfactual. i know that in '98 there was a big gap between when the president was impeached and when the managers were picked. i think it was december 16th and then not until january something were they picked, i know. this is different because it seems like a political play. when you are back, do you think this process should move to the senate and do so quickly? >> first of all, what i disagree with, it's not a political play. what people are calling politics and partisan, et cetera...

>> i've also put in all my time. >> i'm not saying you haven't. >> i've put in all my time and effort. >> that's all fair. >> it's a full-time job. >> you put your time, you put your sweat, you put your money, i allow you to check all those boxes because that's what the record shows. what i'm saying is the argument is that money poisons politics. not at the grassroots level, not in helping organizations that do things that you believe matter in your own opinion, but the idea that our political campaigns are this dependent on money, is part of the problem of this process. do you see that? >> ch...

And ted cruz and marco rubio, all said, they said he's the worst thing that could happen to our party. lindsey graham said donald trump could go to hell. they knew when they were running what his character was. >> but they lost. >> his character is the same. >> i know. that is clear to anybody with eyes. what i'm saying is they made a choice. me won, i lost. now we're going to go. similarly, this process is going to ind. it's going to go to the senate. they're going to have a trial. in all likelihood -- i don't believe this noise about murkowski. i don't believe there's any insurrection within...

Senate majority leader mitch mcconnell has made no secret of his own bias in an impeachment trial, and that was a mistake. i can't wait to watch him take the oath. now on the opposite end of the spectrum, we have a lone republican senator, and i emphasize "lone" for a reason. moderate lisa murkowski of alaska. here's what she said. >> in fairness, when i heard that, i was disturbed. to me, it means that we have to take that step back from being hand in glove with the defense. any way we move forward, i think it's going to be important that at a minimum, the process that the senate uses is one ...