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Child tax correct. if it were to expire, it had plunge 10 million people into poverty or deep poverty. it's not a either/or choice. >> joe manchin is asking house progressives to take the win on the infrastructure bill, take the w on that, and then get to work on the bigger bill. does he have a point? do you trust him he would get to a place you're comfortable with on the bigger bill? >> the progressive support, the bipartisan infrastructure framework, but senator martial edge opposes the build back better act. that this lies the stalemate. we have to take the time to break the stalemate withi...

To how this president has tried to pressure and influence different elements of his party, i think it has been interesting to watch and wonder about what type of leverage he does have over these players right now. what leverage does he actually have over a senator joe manchin? if this was a trump presidency you would have heard trump threatening to primary someone, threatening to go hold a rally in their home district. that obviously wasn't often effective but it was a tactic that he used. this president is a lot more behind closed doors, keeping those conversations private. but at the end of ...

Out of a meeting in chuck schumer's office and told reporters that he is urging the house to vote no, on the roads and bridges bill tonight. vote no on the infrastructure bill tonight if there is a vote. he said he is unhappy about these late night closed door talks. that seems significant given what a driving force the progressives have been in the house, i want a progressive icon senator sanders is, not only in the country but to progressive democrats on capitol hill. is that significant? what do we think is going to happen? >> it is significant rachel. senator sanders says that this is an a...

Some other senior staffers from the white house on capitol hill holding those meetings. i don't expect, though, you're going to see joe biden come to the hill until they have the votes to say -- or they have a framework in place on this larger reconciliation package. to your point, he's not going to be there with a pencil out figuring out the specifics of this negotiating. he's going to be using the phones. he's clearly used the white house itself in terms of having members like cinema and joe manchin go to the white house to have those kind of private meetings. but right now it really is a ne...

Leaders providing some votes to pass this infrastructure bill? because that would undercut the goal of house progressives if they do pass this tonight. the progressive position, their fear as you point out, is that if the infrastructure bill passes then centrist democrats in the house and the senate will bolt. they will say, we didn't commit to doing this other thing or we would like to shrink it, cut it in half. centrist democrats insisted that is not what they are planning to do. congressman gottheimer ho has been pushing for the vote says he is absolutely committed to the reconciliation bil...