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Don't put troops and make it both a generational argument and a change argument. and he's got a chance to do that. >> i'm so with you, howard on this generational thing. unless you're 65 and have a really good argument that your experience has added up to advanced knowledge, that you're smarter and wiser than the younger guy, you have to make the case now. being a little older is not going to win this election. being a little younger might. especially in the older candidates, hillary clinton included, can't make the case that they have learned something that the younger crowd doesn't know. tel...

He is has an isolationist view of the world that i don't share. >> and senator paul hit back shortly thereafter. >> this comes from a group of people who have been wrong about every foreign policy issue over the last two decades. they supported hillary clinton's war in libya. they supported president obama's bombing of assad. i'm really the one standing up to president obama. and these people are essentially the lap dogs for president obama. and i think they're sensitive about that. their foreign policy is so disjointed confusing, and chaotic that really, people need to reexamine those who wan...

Like a hawk, but fly like a dove. be tough, hold a tough line, but don't be running off into another war. especially since even if you support our troops and you want to have a robust foreign policy you recognize that we have -- we've been overdeploying our men and women and we've been spilling our blood and treasure and we need to be more careful. >> and we have a volunteer army, howard, just to continue this discussion. that means the guys and women who signed up to serve their country get sent back again and again and again into the breach the same people. >> exactly. that's true. and it's ...

Great reporting there. thank you, howard finerman. thank you, amy walter. and a reminder we'll be at the loews hotel as i said in center city, philly. right near the convention center the old reading terminal where my dad used to get on the train there. anyway, very familiar sight. loews hotel. what happens when the new prime minister of britain is reminded that he once called the new deputy prime minister a joke? he's going to take that back. stick around for the "sideshow." you're watching "hardball" on msnbc. what did we make better ? communities. industry. energy. her. this. lives. how ? b...

Learned this yesterday, is not going to be in kentucky on election night. which means to me that he knows that his guy, trey grayson, is going to lose. however, mcconnell's supposed to attend a unity breakfast of republicans on saturday, and he's made friendly noises toward rand paul lately. the body language of this now, chris, is that mitch mcconnell's going to need rand paul more than rand paul needs mitch mcconnell. because mitch mcconnell's going to have to try to get right with the tea party people and that's rand paul. >> what i'm getting out of this discussion with you two experts is f...