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Murder conviction manslaughter conviction. i agree with mark. i think where they failed miserably is they did not humanize trayvon martin in front of this jury. i mean, after the verdict, i spoke to sybrina fulton and interviewed her and the world found out that trayvon martin was an excellent science and math student and went to camp and studied to be a pilot with the world's first african american pilot that flew solo around the world. why didn't the jury hear about that -- >> why -- >> sunny, why isn't the answer? >> i think the prosecution failed. >> the other -- >> in that regard. >> the ...

Math student and went to camp and studied to be a pilot with the world's first african american pilot that flew solo around the world. why didn't the jury hear about that -- >> why -- >> sunny, why isn't the answer? >> i think the prosecution failed. >> the other -- >> in that regard. >> the prosecution did fail not only in not humanizing him and both jurors that we heard from post deliberation have told us they both said even though they came from different angles, give us a better menu. you're giving us the evidence but i'm having trouble lining up one column with the other and tells us a lo...

Trayvon's parents and as christians they have to accept the apology, but as they said and everybody i've heard say they wish she would have fought harder. >> let me let mark weigh in on this point. i know, mark, you think the prosecution did a horrible job. what about the judge? when they asked for clarification on manslaughter, she said give me a specific question, otherwise re-read the 27-page document and i read it several times. you read one page you say guilty. you read the next page and you say not guilty. it's confusing. you are practicing attorneys so you know but to everyone out there...

So i'll give you -- >> that's not true, anyway. >> that's true, you were better than sunny was. >> thanks, thank, mark. >> the prosecution did make a big mistake in closing about not addressing the jury instructions in a more direct way, however, the fact is the evidence matters, and there was not a lot of evidence here where the prosecution could point to saying that george zimmerman committed this crime. >> i want to bring ben crump into this conversation, and benjamin, you spoke about how frustrating it's been to hear from two jurors now, who have both said basically they were confused by t...

Jurors as they deliberate, that's a recipe for an appeal let reversal. if she asked any question that in any way guided the jury or arguably guided the jury to get to a guilty verdict that would be right for an appellant lawyer. what she did, she did what the lawyers agreed to. the lawyers got together, both the prosecution and the defense and they gave her a response, which she blessed. they did not do that. they tried their case for the tv cameras. they tried their case for sunny hostin. they did not try it for the juror who was in there who needed, as to borrow mben's lin, to be empowered, ...