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Expressed views on how it should be funded and conducted. so there's all kinds of conflicts of interest that most frankly any reasonable attorney would ultimately seek recusal for. he will seek and i believe they're doing the ethics review now, but i guess he has said as you saw some reports this morning that he's committed or has no intention of recusing, which is preposterous. >> if i were named acting anything i would wait to see what happens before rearranging all the furniture. when it comes to the mueller investigation, as acting attorney general, does he have the same authority as a ful...

And come up with a conclusion. >> martha: before i let you go, it's weird that this has gotten more attention. there's clearly a lot of intrigue here, and as richard said you have to follow through the process, but as mercedes as if to follow the money here. $4 million is a heck of a lot of money for these three individuals to make doing i.t. work, freelance on the hill. >> as it turns out, debbie wasserman schultz is about as good at hr decisions as she was at the democratic party chairwoman. she's bad at this. she has continued to be a blight on that party. that, also, it comes to the of hil...

I can't speak to debbie wasserman schultz hr decisions, they are beyond may. but what i will say is that we need to see what happened and take a look at one, how did he manage to get an equity loan on a house that he didn't own, right, and how -- >> martha: he was renting. >> were yet $100,000 loan which seems to me, i don't know which banks would actually do that. there seems to be a larger situation. i don't take its scandalous, i don't care which is a scandal, but i do think -- >> martha: what about the basic fact of paying him with american taxpayer dollars to do a job that he was not able...

The purpose, we want your advice and counsel and still want you to participate. what happens in early days everybody starts thinking about themselves and not what is at stake and that national security portfolio to me is incredibly important, same with the economic portfolio. once these hr decisions are worked through, i think you will see the wrinkles ironed out, and a machine up and running. you know, think about it. you don't ask an excavator to put in the windows of the building. they're going through some of these choices. right? they want to make sure the right person is doing the right ...