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Campaigns. he's out in houston, texas. jeff, welcome. i want to talk about the human aspects of this as well as the -- the sort of inside politics of it. say you're the campaign manager for donald trump and an accusation comes up and he says, jeff, this thing's just false. are you comfortable, without knowing whether it's true or false, saying then to your spokespeople and surrogates, everyone go out and say it's false, or would you want to figure out for yourself whether it's true or false? >> i would probably pull him into a dark room and have a real serious conversation, but that's all you ...

Important to separate fact from fiction. especially when you think about this is a real-life story that's happening to this young man. >> also, there are a lot of things right now that we may not see that are also going to be important parts of this story going forward. it doesn't just -- this is a process. you look at the show. there are families involved. there was a reintegration involved back into society. and some of the difficulties that go through that. not only with the person who is the p.o.w., the hostage, but also the family ebb manies and how they have those relationships. you know...

Immigration. it's turning that into law and turning that into things people can understand is difficult. what a lot of people don't understand is the changes the president is making aren't going to effect a mass number of people that are trying to get in the u.s. something like 8 millionç peop a year try to get into the u.s. the debate we're having about police stopping people in cars, about whether or not young people can stay in the country is kind of just rhetoric. it's just politics. although it is very helpful to find someone as a candidate like mitt romney who can't speak to the human ...

It becomes a lot more come phra mi complicated shoot indeed, right, guys? >> it was a complex piece of business overall. >> it was really important for us to focus on the families and the wives and the human aspects of this story. these guys are really human beings at the end of the day, they are not just warriors, and really dedicated family men. i think that was as much of an inspiration for us as anything, what the wives are going through, and how they are holding together the families. bill: a guy said make sure all your affairs are taken care of at home so we can be entirely focused on th...

photograph that the saline bag -- you see where it has a slit or a cut in the bag where i'm pointing in people's 28? >> yes, i can. >> okay. did you observe that on that day, june 25th, 2009? >> no, sir. >> and again, referencing your diagram where you had drawn an apparatus at the bottom of this saline bag, would that -- can you see those two pictures, mr. alvarez? >> yes, sir. >> the saline bag that you drew as reflected in people's 27 on the right here, you show the saline bag coming down and terminating, and then it appears there is an additional apparatus attached to it. is that...