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Waiting for -- for those human collaborators. >> well, let me ask you -- let me ask you about south africa. your father chaired the truth and reconciliation commission. that was a moment which could have been a revenge moment. it wasn't. it was a moment where both sides spoke their own narrative. has the promise of that good forum been met today in south africa? >> yes, no. or no, yes. the "yes" is that -- what the -- the gift that the trc, that the truth and reconciliation commission, gave us was a common history. up until the time of the truth and reconciliation, each ethnic group, each popu...

Waiting for -- for those human collaborators. >> well, let me ask you -- let me ask you about south africa. your father chaired the truth and reconciliation commission. that was a moment which could have been a revenge moment. it wasn't. it was a moment where both sides spoke their own narrative. has the promise of that good forum been met today in south africa? >> yes, no. or no, yes. the "yes" is that -- what the -- the gift that the trc, that the truth and reconciliation commission, gave us was a common history. up until the time of the truth and reconciliation, each ethnic group, each popu...