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Thing we heard. the only way to get it there is threub rat pilot -- deliberate pilot action. do you agree? >> yes. there is always that 10%, 20% catastrophic failure. the auto pilot would not have stayed on in a critical condition like that. the auto pilot when it suffers a lot of turbulence could be kicked off. when someone tells me there was a catastrophic failure of all the electrical systems, et cetera, et cetera, that airplane is not going to fly for another 1,000 or even 500 miles. that thing had to be guided by some human hand. it would not have followed it because once you went off tha...

But anyway, turned by a human hand. the next question is what's the mind operating the hand? is it attached? is it behind it with a gun or a knife or somehow coercing that hand? and that's what the investigators need to know. >> right. and you raise that point. that goes of course to the technical piece of this. that a lot of the reporting reflects the use of the technology, the autopilot function or something that was done by someone experienced. but that doesn't necessarily mean to your point it was done by free will. i also want to flag something on the way these investigations work interna...

From your investigative background more likely that there was some sort of human-caused problem here? >> yes. a human hand turned the plane and did this series of events. we know that from the evidence that's been released by the malaysian government and the reporting on it. but i would bracket what we know now, the radio call from the co-pilot, the transponder two minutes later, the manual press in of the new direction and western travel, and then the acars system is disabled. and then japanese air pilot makes contact with the cockpit by radio and says he only hears murmuring. the japanese pi...

Back with our panel, barbara starr i want to start with you. you are getting information about the human hand perhaps being involved in this disappearance, which seems to corroborate with what the "wall street journal" is now reporting. >> reporter: right, anderson. i've spoken just very recently ) pá is going on is in the last 48 hours since they've gotten t all this technical data analyzed, the radar return, the blips off the aim, the satellite data. the u.s. intelligence community, u.s. national security community, faa, ntsb putting it all together, analyzing the technical data. as they ha...

Several times sharply before heading out into the indian ocean. and authorities believe the plane was manually turned after ground controllers lost contact wit, and someone was needed to go below deck on the 777 to disable one key piece of electronics, suggesting sabotage. back with our panel. barbara starr, you are getting information about the human hand perhaps being involved in this disappearance, which seems to corroborate what "the wall street journal" is reporting. >> right, anderson. i've spoken recently to some u.s. officials. what is going on is in the last 48 hours, since it's gotte...