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Historical christianity. it is a theological cult and i stand by those comments. and by the way --. bill: you don't take them, you don't take back the comments? i just want to be clear. >> i don't take them back at all. in fact, "usa today", this morning, cited a poll of 1,000 protestants pastors who agreed with my position. three out of four agreed with the position, that mormon system not christianity. mormons are not christians. this is no new news. that has been a mainstream view. bill: let me drill down a little bit what your position is and how you define a cult and et cetera. >> yeah. b...

>> pastor, thank you so much for coming on. and i guess my only role here, since i'm a secular person involved with political discussions, to find out what you meant by that. in a secular contest. in other words, we're in the middle of a campaign, what relevance is it. the word "cult," would you use it again if you were asked the same question? >> yes, but i would clarify, like i did in that clip later on, i was talking not about a sociological cult, i'm talking about a theological cult. it's a fact, mormonism came 1800 years after jesus christ and the founding of the church. mormonism has its...

you see him here with governor perry. in his introduction he did not use the word cult or specifically attack romney by name but there was no doubt he had the former massachusetts governor in mind when he drew there is contrast. >> do we want a candidate who is skilled in rhetoric or one skilled in leadership? do we want a candidate who is a conservative out of convenience or one who is a conservative out of deep conviction? do we want a candidate who is a good, moral person or do we want a candidate who is a born-again follower of the lord jesus christ? rick perry is a prompt leader...

Of a human leader. of the leader of something, no matter how decentralized, no matter how entrepreneurial in a way the al qaeda has become without him. it's called al qaeda because it's the base. and for a time it was the geographic base in afghanistan. it was in many ways spiritually the base was bin laden. and that base is now cracked. >> willie geist, in america, the scenes that arose instantaneously outside of the white house, then in times square, then in, then down at ground zero. and i was awakened several times by screaming, i had the window open. and by screaming outside our apartment...