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cars, the forecast today calling for sunny skies, though. definitely good news for those folks, giving them all a chance to dry out. bill: it's picture perfect out there today, right? so mitt romney's faith thrust into the national spotlight after a prominent evangelist and rick perry backer calls the religion a cult. this has caught fire. director for the national republican committee, and kirsten powers for the daily caller, happy columbus day, go fly the flag! karen, where is this going? >> well, you know, this seems to be a replay of four years ago, when mitt romney's religion was front and center for some time. mike huckabee made a big deal about it when he was running against romney. and you know, i think it's a real distraction. i think most voters know,
out of texas, former godfather's ceo herman cain, a strong second there, at 23 percent, followed by rick santorum, third with 16 percent, rick perry and michele bachmann tie for fourth in washington. but it was religion, not numbers, that took center stage at the values voter summit. dallas mega church pastor robert jefferds, a perry supporter, creation a firestorm when he called mitt romney's mormon faith a cult. >> i stand by my comment, everything i said about mormonism is true, mormons are good, moral people but they are not a part of mainstream christianity. bill: rick perry -- rick perry not commenting but saying that rhetoric like that does not help anyone. >> the strength of the nation, we should remember the decency and civility of our values, too, one of the speakers that follow me has cross that's line. poisonous language doesn't
4000 firefighting inmates are stationed throughout the state. bill: whatever works, huh? >> either t had healtho heather: it's working there. bill: facing foreclosure, how a government program is providing major relief for those struggling with those monthly payments. heather: the politics of religion, the fallout after a prominent pastor calls mitt romney's mormon faith a cult. >> first of all, they were established 1800 years after jesus christ and the founding of christianity, they have their own human founder, joseph smith, their own set of doctrines and own religious book outside of the bible. >> coming up, pastor robert jefferds joins us live to defend those comments.
joseph smith. they have own set of doctrines apart from christianity and they have their own religious book apart from the bible, the book of mormon. when you have a religion has its human founder, developed 1800 years after christianity and own book of revelation that is theological cult. and i think -- i believe --. bill: i heard that phrase over the weekend a theological cult. that was like the follow-up to this. do you believe mormons go to heaven? >> oh i don't believe anyone goes to heaven in a group. we all go to heaven or hell individually based on what we do with jesus christ. i don't think all baptists are we go be in heaven. i don't believe all catholics will be in heaven. i don't believe all mormons will be in heaven. it is whether we trust in christ personally as our savior. bill: does rick perry understand your position. >> i have no idea. i never discussed mormonism with rick perry. bill: you have not?
faith as a cult. that is mainstream view that mormon system a cult. they ought to embrace a christian over a non-christian. for his part here is how the former massachusetts governor reacted to that. >> poisonous language doesn't advance our cause. it never soften ad single heart and changed a single mind. blessings of faith carry responsibility of civil and respectful debate. bill: what does the pastor think. pastor jeffers from dallas, texas. good morning to you. >> good to be with you. >> mitt romney called this poison. how do you react to that? >> actually i think if you will clarify he was talking about another speaker at that conference. i think ryan fisher who used much more incendiary language n my remarks in introducing governor perry i never used word mormonism or cult or mitt romney. that came afterwards when a reporter asked me personally about my feelings about mormonism. and i said mormon system not
advance our cause. it's never softened a single heart or changed a single mind. the blessings of faith carry the responsibility of civil and respectful debate. the task before us is to focus on the conservative beliefs and the values that unite us. let no agenda narrow our vision or drive us apart. bill: as for perry whose camp has been distancing himself from these remark, the texas governor giving an unambiguous no when asked by if he thinks mormonism is a cult. pastor jefferds himself joinstous talk about the comments. we'll talk next hour on that. also a fair and balanced debate on whether or not religion should play a part in politics this time around. we want to know what you think, foxnews.com,/ "america's newsroom", here is our question of the day, does a candidate's religion matter to you? a little, a lot, or not at all. you can vote right now. heather: a new bombshell report showing just how bad
historical christianity. it is a theological cult and i stand by those comments. and by the way --. bill: you don't take them, you don't take back the comments? i just want to be clear. >> i don't take them back at all. in fact, "usa today", this morning, cited a poll of 1,000 protestants pastors who agreed with my position. three out of four agreed with the position, that mormon system not christianity. mormons are not christians. this is no new news. that has been a mainstream view. bill: let me drill down a little bit what your position is and how you define a cult and et cetera. >> yeah. bill: how would you, what meets your definition of a cult first? >> i appreciate you're asking it. i'm not talking about a sociological cult. i'm talking about a theological cult. and mormonism, first of all, was invented 1800 years after jesus christ and the founding of christianity. it has a human leader, versus a divine leader.