joseph smith. they have own set of doctrines apart from christianity and they have their own religious book apart from the bible, the book of mormon. when you have a religion has its human founder, developed 1800 years after christianity and own book of revelation that is theological cult. and i think -- i believe --. bill: i heard that phrase over the weekend a theological cult. that was like the follow-up to this. do you believe mormons go to heaven? >> oh i don't believe anyone goes to heaven in a group. we all go to heaven or hell individually based on what we do with jesus christ. i don't think all baptists are we go be in heaven. i don't believe all catholics will be in heaven. i don't believe all mormons will be in heaven. it is whether we trust in christ personally as our savior. bill: does rick perry understand your position. >> i have no idea. i never discussed mormonism with rick perry. bill: you have not?