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Very long lives, it seems to me we are losing that human memory, that capacity to imagine what a tragedy at a global scale could look like. >> how bad it could be. >> i think we have a lack of imagination in this country. we have been at war 17 years. more americans would be killed in the first five minutes of the second korean war than have lost their lives in the totality of these wars in afghanistan. the last korean war, a million-and-a-half koreans died. korea is one of the poorest countries in the world then. today south 83 is the sixth largest economy and this would be the first war foug...

Encounters between comey and the president. human memory, human perceptions being what they are, it is entirely possible that neither is doing anything but true. people have different assessments of what has transpired in a meeting. all i'm saying as a lawyer, every time you're testifying under oath if this is a wide ranging testimony covering many things there are always the possibility of inconsistencies. this president has been under attack. we're talking about a difficult situation. >> paul, could special counsel robert mueller compel the president to talk to him as part of the investigati...

Up, it is important to do with anything that is controversial. it's quite common. >> is that a matter of i want to protect myself from what might become of this conversation, or is that just a matter of i want to have a good record here? i want to be able -- i don't want to rely on human memory? >> it's a little bit of each. i'd say the bulk of your motive comes from the fact that you want to preserve it for a lot of reasons. everything ranging from history to checking your own memory later. and also at times when you're making controversial decisions that may in the future become public contr...

>> is that a matter of i want to protect myself from what might become of this conversation, or is that just a matter of i want to have a good record here? i want to be able -- i don't want to rely on human memory? >> it's a little bit of each. i'd say the bulk of your motive comes from the fact that you want to preserve it for a lot of reasons. everything ranging from history to checking your own memory later. and also at times when you're making controversial decisions that may in the future become public controversies, you want

Fragility of human memory. i use techniques like the cognitive interview, which will enhance some ability to recall, i use principal persuasion that drives the multibillion-dollar advertising industry to win cooperation. >> and what would you, in your experience, what is the most aggressive you have seen or practiced in terms of interrogation? >> well, what i've seen, when i was in iraq in 2003 i saw forced nudity, i saw slapping, prolonged standing, stress positions, things that i think are clearly violations of the law of armed conflict and at the same time why are we doing this, because the...