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passport and not leave the state of new york and he did not enter a plea at that time and the 4-year-old turned himself in yesterday prior to appearing before a manhattan judge and penny faces up to 15 years in jail for an attempt to subdue 30-year-old jordan neely earlier this month. penmy held the homeless -- penny held the homeless man down in what was a legal choke hold after he was making threats to kill fellow passengers and penny's attorney said he couldn't have foreseen his death trying to subdue him and penny risk his own life in an attempt to save his own life and the lives...

And yet he eventually accepted the miracle, but at first he thought it was a mess, that this was god coming into the world, and it was coming in god's way, not the human way. but more than that, if you look at the story in matthew, there is a king named herrod sitting on the throne in the area where jesus was born, this king heard rumors there was a child king, a child messiah to be born and he set out on a process of destroying this child for as he thought he was a rival to the throne and the bible says he killed hebrew jewish baby boys in a mad genocidal attempt. jesus was born in the midst ...

And again, late today, secretary azar painted a postcard picture of the lives that these kids now lead. >> wolf, what we do is provide as caring an environment. they get education. they're getting athletics. they're getting entertainment, they get medical care, dental care, health care, vision care. they're getting snacks. we then of course the care manager, the case management to try to place them with relatives, if it's not about this reunification process. we place them in a safe environment with other relatives would are here in this country, even if they're here illegally. it's what we do...

It's about compassion and love towards these kids and protecting them. i know that's what you want. anyone else wants us to do that. >> so for him, he says it's all about the kids. as for the president, what are his thoughts on untangling the human mess that his policy created? listen. >> well, i have a solution. tell people not to come to our country illegally. that's the solution. don't come to our country illegally. come like other people do, come legally. >> mr. president, mr. president -- >> i'm saying this very simply. we have laws. we have borders. don't come to our country illegally. i...

That setting in the oval office lets everybody know what this is and what the magnitude is. >> i think it's a powerful tool, it should be utilized. it takes the message directly to the american people, instead of addressing just the congress. i like that feel of it. >> chris: like television, it's a very intimate medium. when you go out in the world they don't know you. >> greg: if you knew anything about me you'd run screaming, you human mess. to use a golf metaphor, this is another club that you have in your bag. you do your tweets and you do the rallies, i would change the subject. i wouldn...