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Can you disagree with pope francis, his motives are clear. protecting the helpless. talking points believes all americans should understand and respect the pope for being a champion of the poor. and the persecuted. that is indeed the bottom line of his papacy. that's the memo. now for reaction tonight with us michael who covers catholicism for "the boston globe" and author of the book the tweetable pope and from a mountain view california, a teacher of religious studies at santa clara university. doctor, where am i you going wrong here. >> i don't think you are wrong. i agree with you if what ...

Can you disagree with pope francis, his motives are clear. protecting the helpless. talking points believes all americans should understand and respect the pope for being a champion of the poor. and the persecuted. that is indeed the bottom line of his papacy. that's the memo. now for reaction tonight with us michael who covers catholicism for "the boston globe" and author of the book the tweetable pope and from a mountain view california, a teacher of religious studies at santa clara university. doctor, where am i you going wrong here. >> i don't think you are wrong. i agree with you if what ...

Bring refugees in to the united states legally. i think that's part of his conversation. i think he's going to stress though that the most important part of dealing with immigration is that you're fair and you treat the people with dignity and whatever your policies are, they are good policies in the sense they treat trt person as a human being and not as a number or cattle or whatever that we try to really help them as human persons. no matter what our policy is. >> i should mention as well you'll be at the u.n. general assembly. and when you -- if we can fast forward to how the pope might ad...

He sees the canonization as a way to move forward. >> so pope francis is someone who has railed against capitalism and, you know, amorous, and here's an interesting thing, today's event had corporate sponsorship, including banks and oil company l s. is the vatican sending mixed messag messages? >> that's a great question. i would say the critiques of the capitalism and a style of capitalism that does not treat the dignity of all human persons, that goes back 125 years. this is something that is a long tradition in catholic social thought. it's true pope francis' message is being heard differen...

To say, oh, the zoning is con straining. he sees the zoning as -- i won't say lib rating, but as something that if you master it, you can move on to a higher level. >> you can say planet earth has an existing geology, and what we do as human beings and as architects is that we try to sort of alter and modify and expand the geology. when you look at it this way, you realize that our cities and our buildings and architecture isn't the way it is because there is some kind of universal law that says that's how it has to be. they're the way they are because that's how far we got the last time we tr...