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Vaccinated on that plane, especially the ones that are employed. that's the best way to make flying as safe as possible. >> right now, everyone on a plane is required to -- to wear a mask. but that mandate is -- is set to expire, mid-september. if it's not extended, there could be unvaccinated, un-masked flight attendants and so on. is that a recipe for disaster? >> if you have un-masked people, who are not vaccinated, that is just asking for an outbreak to occur. we know that this delta variant is out there. it's not going anywhere. covid has established itself in the human population. we are...

Those immunocompromised people. but you have to remember, covid is not going anywhere. it's established in the human population. there is always going to be covid cases. there is always going to be breakthroughs. our goal has always been to tame this virus, remove its ability to put hospitals in crisis. and -- and i think that's what we have got to get people to be able to do. make good risk calculations and i think this is something that can be done safely for vaccinated people but there is always going to be some level of covid risk. >> doctor, thank you, we learned a lot. appreciate you joi...

Discussed whether it should be included or not. it is probably because it means there is a human error behind such an incident and they are not very happy to admit it. it could also be that someone wants to hide something. who knows? that's a scary enough thought. he goes on to say the findings suggest the lab incident hypothesis is extremely unlikely to explain the introduction of the virus to the human population. so where does this leave us, dr. nesheiwat, knowing we're about to see the results of the 90-day investigation that president biden promised and will release back here at home? >> ...

Having a child read talking points to scare the world, at some point we got to start telling the truth. this planet has been changing forever. anyone who grew up in california and went to the mountains and dug around for a while would find a fossil of a fish, which means that one time it was under water comes over time, things change. i'm sure there was a drought, there was some weather and the ocean went back or whatever. the problem with the world today, and if you check out sir david attenborough special is there's too many people and we are so overpopulated and of course we all love our ch...

Ago. delta is more than three times more transmissible. and you write in a new opinion piece for the "washington post" about how previous pandemics have seen much deadlier variants in the years after the first waves. how worried are you about a variant evolving that can completely bypass existing vaccines? >> i am worried. i think all the five pandemics going back to 1889 that we know anything about in detail, you know, the virus enters the human population, it's a new virus, and it adapts to humans. initially it becomes better at transmissability, which has happened. and in past pandemics the...