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Beds holding children and there are people suffering from not being paid during this government shutdown. at the same time, this is being abstracted into a party political football. and neither side really looks like they want to compromise at this particular point. and each one is basically saying, well, we're going to dig in, we're going to try to retain our mass political base as far as we possibly can until we see some damage coming to it. and i think that is what president trump is doing. and president trump hardly ever forgets what he wants which is really val galvanizing his base. he di...

>> i'm proud to shut down the government. i'll take the mantle. i won't blame you for it. the last time you shut it down, if didn't work. >> and now the president threatening to shut down the southern are border and to cut off some funding if he doesn't get his way and blaming democrats for it, focusing in on nancy pelosi as the reason for this impasse. does this new immediate use ya blitz we' -- media blitz that we're seeing, does it make any difference here to democrats who are dug in? >> well, i think you put your finger right on it there, i think that there is two sides which are dug in. e...

Important to say that, that the shutdown is mainly affecting democrats he says with republicans seemingly unsympathetic about this thing dragging on, also democrats digging in on their side, what do you make of this bet for no additional funding or no deal? >> well, it is a war of words. they are trying of abstract it from the human problem. people are not getting paid. government workers are having to return christmas presents in order to pay their rent and other bills. they are getting letters from the office of personnel management about how to deal with their mortgage lenders whose repayme...

So i think it's a mistake to think this is just a rural thing, this is a southern thing or a midwestern thing or a country thing. this is a human problem and an american problem. i think scott has a point. in some ways this is becoming more transparent, you know. we're seeing it because of technology. i think if you're a police officer -- i had an operation a couple months ago. you're completely vulnerable. i was put under. the doctors, they could have done anything to me that they wanted to. i'm putting my life in their hands. you're incredibly susceptible at that moment. we need to hold them...