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Into the military commission does not work. >> so it's a political problem, legal problem, human problem. let's start with the political problem, because i mean the first thing that happened was they signed the order, congress rebe rebelled, right? here's just a taste what that looks like in terms of the change of opinion from republicans. we'll get to what the administration has done. this is senator lindsay graham in 2009 saying the president is right to want to close guantanamo and then in 2012 reneging. take a look. >> the president is right to want to close guantanamo bay. the reason i sa...

Because of one of the most supreme court cases bears his name. when we come back, i want to play a little clip to remind people of the human stakes here. you talked about political problem, legal problem. there's a human problem. there are human beings who are rotting in a prison, even if it has nice facilities, with no access to their families, to their lives, and they have been there for in some cases 11 years and they haven't done anything. that's the key point. there are people who have not done anything and they are in there for 11 years. i want to talk about whether the obama administrat...

Outside our view it is now. and i guess my first question is, vince, what is -- what is the plan? i mean just walk me through what is the plan? i know the administration has signed two consecutive national defense authorization acts in which congress has explicitly prohibited any funds to transfer people from guantanamo to the united states. they have signed it with signing statements saying they don't believe that congress has that authority and that they disagree with it. they still want to close guantanamo and still want to transfer detainees. there is a military tribunal process working it...

It's very important to take what he said to the next point. i think this means there should not be military intervention. i mean there is already military intervention. the cia is orchestrating who gets the weapons. the u.s. military is helping to facilitate all of that so we are intervening in syria. >> there's not military intervention explicitly from our forces. >> explicitly, yeah, but it's getting closer to that. but i think the problem here is we're looking at a scenario where we're denying that the actual opposition in syria began and still has a crucial component, which is calling for ...

Whichever side of the aisle, everybody just says, oh, it's africa, let our government do whatever it wants. but you have the anti-apartheid movement and i would prefer the u.s. to france. >> robin, robin -- robin, you wanted to jump in. >> i do. whether it's the united states or france, the reality is that military force is not going to solve the problem alone. bombing attacks are not going to remove the jihadists or the -- not address the core issues that have divided mali. and this is where you need a really much longer term solution, and this is where the united states has talked about smar...