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Was the president aware of any of that? so far, we don't have any -- we are not privy to actual evidence or the connection that draws those things together. but two other people roger stone and jerome corsi are suggested by this story to have had some link to wikileaks, to assange. they both say it never happened. they don't know the man and never had any interaction with him. tonight roger stone refused to speak to dianne feinstein, senator feinstein's committee about this. what do you make of their resistance? what does it tell you, judge starr? >> there is a brokenness in the relationships....

You know, sort of filters into the seriousness of negotiations? >> well, there, look, there's no question that, look, these are human beings. this is a human process. i saw that happen with bill clinton in his meeting with leaders across the world. if they got along, if there was a certain chemistry there, then we made tremendous progress. if that chemistry is not there, it can lead in the other direction. and so, in order to make sure that this kind of meeting really is productive, it just is very important to establish what is the frame work for what we want to achieve in a set of negotiatio...

Certainly makes sense, but how important is the top-down chemistry that then, you know, sort of filters into the seriousness of negotiations? >> well, there, look, there's no question that, look, these are human beings. this is a human process. i saw that happen with bill clinton in his meeting with leaders across the world. if they got along, if there was a certain chemistry there, then we made tremendous progress. if that chemistry is not there, it can lead in the other direction, and so, in order to make sure that this kind of meeting really is productive, it just is very important to estab...

Here -- trust. all right? so you've got a bureaucratic process to create trust, and i suspect in many instances, what you have over here is a human process that actually has created in its own way the trust that the bureaucratic process was designed to build. >> i just want to turn to the dueling memos coming out of the house intelligence committee. you do not want the republican memo released saying it puts not just the fbi but every intelligence agency at risk. i'm wondering now what you think of, you know, that was released. the white house says this democratic memo went through the same ha...

Lack of energy to go back over here and begin pulling up these other old rocks. >> but if john kelly, who obviously has a long, distinguished military background, who is working with somebody who does not have a full security clearance, i mean, again, i guess none of us can get in john kelly's head. but you would think somebody of that experience would want to at least know, why does my closest aide not have a security clearance? >> i think that's right, and i understand it. anderson, remember what's going on here. we're using a very bureaucratic process through third persons to establish a ve...