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The not talking to the family, all of this takes -- comes into play. there is a factor of evil. supernatural forces and allowing ourselves, our souls to go dark. i am going to encourage people to double down on love. when we see this tragedy, we say that is contrary to human nature, contrary to human reason. but we use our free will as one of parents said so beautifully yesterday, i recognize that i am not angry at this young man because he chose to use his free will terribly. but i can use it for the good. that's what i am going to do. that's what he said. we can double down on love. i would ...

Human reason. it goes against human reason. it's a group, whether religious or not. is commanding people to kill in the name of anything, a government needs to step in and say, that is wrong. call yourself religious, whatever. by human reason we can be sure that that is evil and must be stopped. >> father jonathan, nice to see you. >> we figured out not only theology, but-- >> i think you game close. >> actually quite simple things, to say in the name of god, in the name of religion. no, no, no, human reason is a positive thing and faith and reason are not in contradiction. >> you made it clea...

Relatively calm there were continued attack from gaza to southern israel which is unacceptable. between egypt and gaza would be problematic. again i think the egyptians understand it is not in their interest to have the gazians. we all pray that you are right. maybe it can be an example that even a religious organized group taking over can still maintain this relative calmness. >> they will if they use god tive eng given reason. it doesn't take you -- doesn't take religious truth that they respect the right for religious freedom. that's human reason. we can get it. we can do it. >> we can ge...

Relatively calm there were continued attack from gaza to southern israel which is unacceptable. between egypt and gaza would be problematic. again i think the egyptians understand it is not in their interest to have the gazians. we all pray that you are right. maybe it can be an example that even a religious organized group taking over can still maintain this relative calmness. >> they will if they use god tive eng given reason. it doesn't take you -- doesn't take religious truth that they respect the right for religious freedom. that's human reason.

Fewer people are going to church? >> no. no, it's not. i think when we take a look at what the issue is right now. this is not a religious issue. i think all of us, whether you are a believer or not, we can use our human reason to say that even if somebody is doing something wrong, like crossing the border illegally, and i think that is wrong. >> juan: that's immoral, that's wrong. >> absolutely. it does not mean that therefore we can do whatever we want to them. we have to be able to stand up as a country. >> juan: wait a minute. you can't put somebody in jail for breaking the law? >> no. i d...