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Big advocates of public education? >> well, you know, that's a great question. >> good question. >> the answer goes to the essence of reform, i keep coming -- of progressivism, i keep coming back to this, is reform. it's all about reforming. to what? to perfection. the idea whether they're children, whether they're corporations, whether they're city governments, you can if you just keep reforming them long enough, you will finally get to perfection. it's a view that denies human sin. i hate to go there. but that is the point, denies human sin. >> glenn: it's the collective salvation. if you lo...

Big advocates of public education? >> well, you know, that's a great question. >> good question. >> the answer goes to the essence of reform, i keep coming -- of progressivism, i keep coming back to this, is reform. it's all about reforming. to what? to perfection. the idea whether they're children, whether they're corporations, whether they're city governments, you can if you just keep reforming them long enough, you will finally get to perfection. it's a view that denies human sin. i hate to go there. but that is the point, denies human sin. >> glenn: it's the collective salvation. if you lo...

Big advocates of public education? >> well, you know, that's a great question. >> good question. >> the answer goes to the essence of reform, i keep coming -- of progressivism, i keep coming back to this, is reform. it's all about reforming. to what? to perfection. the idea whether they're children, whether they're corporations, whether they're city governments, you can if you just keep reforming them long enough, you will finally get to perfection. it's a view that denies human sin. i hate to go there. but that is the point, denies human sin. >> glenn: it's the collective salvation. if you lo...

Education? >> well, you know, that's a great question. >> good question. >> the answer goes to the essence of reform, i keep coming -- of progressivism, i keep coming back to this, is reform. it's all about reforming. to what? to perfection. the idea whether they're children, whether they're corporations, whether they're city governments, you can if you just keep reforming them long enough, you will finally get to perfection. it's a view that denies human sin. i hate to go there. but that is the point, denies human sin. >> glenn: it's the collective salvation. if you look at it, it really is t...

Big advocates of public education? >> well, you know, that's a great question. >> good question. >> the answer goes to the essence of reform, i keep coming -- of progressivism, i keep coming back to this, is reform. it's all about reforming. to what? to perfection. the idea whether they're children, whether they're corporations, whether they're city governments, you can if you just keep reforming them long enough, you will finally get to perfection. it's a view that denies human sin. i hate to go there. but that is the point, denies human sin. >> glenn: it's the collective salvation. if you lo...