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More than a year on the campaign, which meant we had spent a lot of time working together already. we are also deeply personally invested in the campaign, in the agenda and in the president. that sense of loyalty and that collegiality and unity did override any sort of human temptation to want to rat out your colleagues. and that kind of discipline and cohesion served the obama administration quite well. look, i didn't support president bush when he was in office, but it served he and his team quite well throughout his presidency because he exercised the kind of leadership and unified his staf...

>> bill: don't this think there is a payday down the road for that? >> they should. if they had the right teaching ultimately we will be accountable in the fairness god created the world of accountability. >> bill: secular atheists that say once you are dead you are dead. giving you the last word, doctor. more people are choosing to do evil today than ever before in the history of this planet. >> i disagree. this is a constant human temptation. we seek what is outright evil. more often we seek what we think is good for us but which is actually evil in the end. >> bill: you really think that? i...

>> bill: don't this think there is a payday down the road for that? >> they should. if they had the right teaching ultimately we will be accountable in the fairness god created the world of accountability. >> bill: secular atheists that say once you are dead you are dead. giving you the last word, doctor. more people are choosing to do evil today than ever before in the history of this planet. >> i disagree. this is a constant human temptation. we seek what is outright evil. more often we seek what we think is good for us but which is actually evil in the end. >> bill: you really think that? i...

>> bill: don't this think there is a payday down the road for that? >> they should. if they had the right teaching ultimately we will be accountable in the fairness god created the world of accountability. >> bill: secular atheists that say once you are dead you are dead. giving you the last word, doctor. more people are choosing to do evil today than ever before in the history of this planet. >> i disagree. this is a constant human temptation. we seek what is outright evil. more often we seek what we think is good for us but which is actually evil in the end. >> bill: you really think that? i...