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In the end, who will be the jury when mueller issues his findings? congress. congress will be the jury and what we've seen out of this congress is that they are scared of their own shadow. >> yep. >> and they will not act if the poll -- polls don't tell them to. so, if at the end of the investigation, you know, mueller has the smoking gun equivalent of a watergate tapes, this congress may not act because the republicans don't come to donald trump and tell him like the republicans did during watergate told nixon, it's time to go because they have this, this far-right media echo chamber that is ...

Had? >> i think that's certainly a good question. she was someone who was really heralded by the chief of staff john kelly who very much wanted to see her in that position, replacing him when he did become the chief of staff. it's our understanding that president trump had his eye on a number of different people before he ultimately did agree to appoint secretary nielsen. skp and i think there has been some tension behind the scenes for all the reasons you cite, nicolle. there is no doubt this is a significant test for the homeland security secretary. i think that is part of why you're seeing ...

Your broader point is even if they changed the rule, what these children want is their mothers and fathers. >> at the end of the day -- by the way, this system has been in place during the obama administration as well. it was put into place as part of a court ruling. this is not the first time people have been unhappy with this system. the system itself should be reformed. i heard from a former obama administration official that told me, it's fair game to criticize h.h.s. and the way they care for the children and the situation they put themselves in. but it's immigration policy that puts them...

President canceled daca in order to use that program as leverage in order to get his wall. that didn't work. the courts intervened and so we saw in april of this year the administration now enact a new policy of criminalizing asylum seekers which by then necessitates them being separated from their children. >> michael steele, i feel stupid for how often i ask this question, but what's wrong with the republicans? >> they've just been -- they've been trump-etized. >> they're traumatized? >> the reality of it is they think from a base standpoint, i want to go back to, i don't think this is as mu...

Administration. who resigns? do you think anybody quits over this policy? do you think there is a parent who can't fathom what their policy is doing to these children? do you think there is any mother or father of a child who says, i can't be a part of this and walks out the door? >> there may be, but so far we've asked that question before as you point out, after charlottesville especially. and we haven't seen anybody quit in protest. >> why not? >> i wouldn't hold your breath. i think people decide they're going to work for donald trump and they're working in the white house -- >> how about ...