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And it's taken us years to reflect, but there's a way to take a loss and turn it into manager positive. into something positive and be purposeful about it. and that's really what we've done. griff: heather, when we talk about properly honoring our american heroes, it's a heavy thing, and we're going to be doing that tomorrow. but yet with you guys and what you're writing in this book, there's really inspiration. it's almost uplifting. >> yeah. i i hope it humanizes them, you know? they're american father-in-law heroes, but -- fallen heroes, but i hope as we tell their stories and how our lives...

Kinds of talk and controversy, if you will, about kids being at the post-game press conferences. you had a lot of reporters complaining that hey, i'm here to make deadline. i know it's cute with your child but this is a workplace and the kid shouldn't be there. several guys do do this every once in awhile. this started a huge and nasty back and forth. >> i think it makes them seem more real. humanizes them. it's nice to see their kids. come on. >> nba loves it as much bad press as sometimes athletes get for stuff that goes on off the court to see them being dads and the nba probably loves this...