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ask not what your country ca do for you mr. gorbachev teared down this wall states criminal indictment of former president of the united states good evening and thank you for being with us here tonight i am rachel maddow here at msnbc headquarters in new york along with lawrence o'donnel and joy reid, and nicole wallace, and chris hayes we are going to be joined by more of our closest colleagues over the course of this evenin tonight, as part of the specia coverage we know that you have ever choice in the world tonight as to where to get your news abou this historic event. that make...

Presumed innocent. everyone can see, protect you, he can't even protect himself. >> that's right. at the end of the day and we could talk about this in legal terms, too, but at the end of the day i think if you had to bet right now where this is going to go, you know, they're going to be back in court maybe in december. they're going to be on trial maybe next spring. it's going to go on i don't know for a couple of months maybe in terms of that trial. and at the end of it if things go pretty poorly maybe he'll get convicted and he'll pay a fine over the course of that two-year period he's goin...

Maybe we'll get convicted an he will pay a fine you know it i mean whoa that is what is going to happen but over the course of tha two-year period, he will hav to be in court all the time. they will be filing motions on his behalf he will potentially be dealing with gag orders. he will be subject to th criminal justice system and al of its humbling specificity. and that is good to have the kind of effect that both of yo guys are talking about >> while he's campaigning. think about that fact that i he has a hearing in december one of the first hearing is january? one is iowa and new hampshire? ...

>> that's right. at the end of the day, you can talk about this in legal terms to, but at the end of the day think that if you had to bet right now about where this i going to go, this is going t be, they will be back in court maybe in december, they will b on trial maybe next spring it will go on i don't know, fo a couple of months maybe, in terms of the trial then at the end of this -- maybe we'll get convicted an he will pay a fine you know it i mean whoa that is what is going to happen but over the course of tha two-year period, he will hav to be in court all the time. they will be filing ...