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Br brennonis of that theory. i have no doubt, the killing of khashoggi that he would try to discredit, embarrass and hurt bezos financially if he could. that's the theory that comes from them. >> i'm a little more skeptical of that because i think that saudi arabia is indeed agast at what the washington post has been writing. in my conversations with the saudis they haven't tied that so directly to jeff bezos. they tied it to the washington post. i would just emphasize that we have to be really careful about speculating here. we have a bunch of dots. we should just be careful about connecting ...

Depending on what is in charge. this is an individual, what every one thinks about bezos, who got hit with something that took personal kind of embarrassment and stood up to it and other people might not.t alter here. can i call you by your last name? >> sure. >> there's another theory that wouldn't be as bad for trump but still go to a very important national intrigue which is that mbs and the saudis are doing through this the enquirer to go after american journalism and matters around the world. do facts matter, do stories matter? you bet that do. brennonis of that theory. i have no doubt, t...

Not to be shaken down. john paul getty, same situation. >> kidnapping. >> right at the heart of the family. his 16-year-old grandson. the fact that he just said, okay, here is what's going on. what we have is ami is under a cooperation prosecution agreement in the southern district that's delicate. they are playing a dangerous game. whether this is extortion is a question. who knows what was involved in getting this information that hurt bezos's marriage. this is just the opening shot of the story. >> remarkable again that they wanted him according to bezos in the e-mails to say this was not p...

He thinks it's possible that a government entity might have gotten hold of his text messages. >> which government entity? we don't know the answer to that question. but after bezos detailed ami's relationship with saudi arabia in his blog post last night, former cia director john brennan theorized, quote -- i have no doubt given "the washington post's" relentless and appropriate condom nation of mohammad bin salman for the killing of khashoggi, mbs would try to discredit, embarrass and hurt bezos financially if he could. what a mess. joining us at the conversation the perfect person to untangl...