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After you. he's a big afficianado of the leg sweep. i think it's good that jeb is trying to take him on because he can't just ignore it forever. >> it destroyed rand and hurt perry. his staffers pointed out jeb bush i'm calling it like i see it. donald trump is a tax-hiking -- >> when you look at them together it is like comparing a monster truck rally in trump and kind of shuffle board on the lido deck with jeb. trump is a showman, jeb is a snowman. he's stiff and he's frozen when you compare it to the lively banter of trump. i mean, trump ace showman. he commands attention and people enjoy i...

Message. to have the block come here to make the accusation against the perry campaign. who cares? i don't know if it's leaked by perry but who cares? if it's true is it going to help cain? it won't hurt perry campaign much. most people realize there is rough and tumble. even dirty stuff. the worst thing is for 'canes himself to make accusations. look, a cardinal rule i think of presidential politics is that the candidate doesn't get involved in the tactics, doesn't talk about them. he has the big message. cain got a great deal off the message. stay on message. let block do what he has to do, ...

Now it's he said/he said. we have no way of knowing whether the accusation is true. there is only circumstantial evidence. the guy joined the perry campaign ten days ago. two weeks ago. the politico story emerges then. that is circumstantial evidence but it's quite thin. so you have the major accusations from one party to the other. the big winner here obviously is mitt romney. all the others are destructing and he floats above it all. >> bret: there are other candidates out there. newt gingrich. look at this poll. quinnipiac national poll out today. out yesterday, i believe. but the latest na...

>> he stepped on a land mine starting his campaign. perry has been on the attack. a rule in these campaigns is the candidates that attack each other generally hurt each or and bring each other down and don't succeed and the one guy who escapes here romney with a suit of armor somehow almost invisible. he walks through a world war i mine field and thus far, he has been unhurt. >> bret: yet, fred, polls suggest that the herman cain supporters the second choice is speaker gingrich. by the way, he is the next person in "center seat" here on panel. >> maybe so. look, voters don't take the polls as ...

Message. to have the block come here to make the accusation against the perry campaign. who cares? i don't know if it's leaked by perry but who cares? if it's true is it going to help cain? it won't hurt perry campaign much. most people realize there is rough and tumble. even dirty stuff. the worst thing is for 'canes himself to make accusations. look, a cardinal rule i think of presidential politics is that the candidate doesn't get involved in the tactics, doesn't talk about them. he has the big message. cain got a great deal off the message. stay on message. let block do what he has to do, ...