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Deranged and threatened to test a hydrogen bomb over the pacific ocean. a threat of something that has not happened, a test that has not happened since 1980. >> that's right. good morning to both of you. the pentagon not commenting on this publicly, but when north korea makes a threat like this they have to plan as if it might be true, as if north korea might decide to carry out such a test. the north koreans now threatening a hydrogen bomb test on or over the pacific ocean. this would be the first atmospheric in the atmosphere test of a hydrogen test of a nuclear bomb in decades. the toll on ...

Is this rhetoric, noise or does it change things? >> it's more than rhetoric and noise for this reason. we're seeing a possibly uncontainable escalation at this point, not only in iran but also in north korea. here is the issue. what people are forgetting is there is no room for north korea to really back down. they are already facing economic devastation with the sanctions that were in place. additional tough sanctions will further, further bring that down in terms of what they can do. china with a crackdown about their own banks doing business with north korea. as the economic devastation, l...

Have tested a nuclear weapon. one of the most recent ones in 2016 they claim was a hydrogen test. geologist and experts say it was too small. in those cases we see the military putting up a wc 135 and see if they can figure out anything of what may have done. >> the wc 135 as it measures those isotopes it would be potentially what you are saying, and correct me if i am wrong determine if it was nuclear, number one, number two if it is atomic or number three if it is hydrogen. atomic being the splitting of an atom. and hydrogen being the joining, the fusing of two atoms. and the final descripti...

Recent test over northern japan was not only that they chose to have the missile fly over japan which is the first time they have done that and before that, their missile test had gone into the pacific but the trajectory was a more traditional trajectory and they were showing off again the range. in terms of war head, we have no evidence. no evidence at all that they have either done a nuclear test that is a hydrogen test or that they have actually made so many advances that they not only have a hydrogen test which is something that we have never detected before but one that is miniaturized. >...

Chance at all that this test is not as serious as it seems? i should say the usgs said it was a 6.3 tremor. something significant happened. as you know, north korea has been known to overstate its capabilities before. how can we be sure it's not doing it again today? >> tech nick technical experts g furiously to confirm the details. the fact is, the size of this is so alarming that it was clearly, according to experts within the government with whom i have spoken this morning, they say it was clearly an advanced thermonuclear device. it was a test of some sort approaching a hydrogen test. we d...