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people who do know it is a lie but they choose to repeat the lie and choose to live in that alternative reality? >> well your exactly right. there is a tendency to think this is somehow based on education or experience or anything else. and it is not whether you went to college or where you went to college that is the most likely predictor, it is whether you consumer right-wing media. you're more likely to bring conspiracy theories about vaccines and elections. that is the problem in this country. is that we have a very well funded, very aggressive operation that is spreading these l...

Considering running for president as well. what can you tell us, jonathan? >> yeah, i mean, the politically influenced nra is not what it once was. it's an organization beset by some financial troubles, scandal with leadership. it's not the behemoth that it was a few cycles ago, but it still matters and certainly its agenda, the way it's shaped the message, the way it's pushed paranoia to suggest that the government is coming to seize your weapons is now almost part of a cultural identity. our friend joe scarborough talks about the hyper individualism that some of the right have, they won't gi...

A handgun, which, by the way, is the only thing that is protected, actually, under the constitution of the united states. if you read the second amendment and heller. but it's this hyper individualism over the past 20 years, this extremism that says, "i want all my rights, even rights that i haven't had before. give me more rights. i take no responsibility. and i'm going to take pictures of my children holding ar-15s," because of this sick, sick gun culture. that's how they celebrate christmas on their christmas cards. claire, there is nothing, there is nothing normal about this. you have most...

Because, quite frankly, until we change our leadership and get some people with some real backbone in there, it's not going to change. there's going to be no meaningful law change in tennessee from this that i can see. it's heartbreaking. >> yeah, it is heartbreaking. everything about this, representative freeman, is heartbreaking. what's also heartbreaking is those people that you were talking about, they could have been with you. they could have seen everything. they just wouldn't have cared. they really wouldn't have cared. i talk to these people. i know these people. they just don't care. ...

Everybody stronger as a nation. but, now, again, i'll just keep saying it, over the past quarter century, this hyper individualism that has just perverted the rights that our founders gave us and twisted it to people asking for more and more and more extreme positions to be taken by their legislators. if you try to do anything reasonable and rationalsuddenly you're an enemy of the state. you're a traitor. you're a communist. we as a nation have got to put our arms around this, and we have to realize that responsibilities go along with rights. without that balance that you wrote about in your b...