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Biden is steering the white house? why is there still a lot of reason for them to feel proud of and good about being american? >> well, look, when i was at the united nations i can tell you we had, you know, many countries that wanted to hate on america. but in the quiet rooms of those, of that building they would talk about how many they envied america, loved that we had freedom of speech, freedom of religion, do whatever we wanted to be without government getting in the way. my parents came here legally from india. they put in the time, they put in the price, they are just appalled by what's...

Are feeling that. but this national self-loathing happening across this country is extremely harmful and we've got to go back to remember who we are, what we are, and why this matters, and biden has stomped all over it, but that's the reason we are fighting to make sure we turn the tide, make sure we fix this. we want people to be proud of our country again. my husband is a combat veteran, he fought for this country, he sacrificed for this country with so many men and women because we have the best country in the world but we have to act like it and start winning again and we have to start imm...

We have a gerrymandered house, we have a dysfunctional senate, we have a politicized court. we have an imperial presidency run amok. the fourth estate has been complicated by fox prop, by fox news and what it does and what it has done. we have hyper partisanship which has divided the country in very specific sorts of ways, such that you can't have a kind of deliberative public engaged in the democratic process. so, it seems like every element, beyond the corruption of particular elements, it seems as if every element of our democracy is teetering on a nice edge. and it's the confluence of thos...

Unfortunately, are getting so disgusted with the hyper partisanship. especially the white nationalist hyperpartisan ship of the supreme court. it's actually turning them off and it's our job to help assure them and put them in the center of their own democracy. >> neil, we're out of time, but i want to give you an opportunity to give us some final thoughts on the legal stuff that is presented by this alito opinion. what should we be paying attention to as we wind our way to the end of the court's term? >> it's not just the bottom line that roe v. wade is overturned, it had i got there. the ali...

Country headed for civil war. it has all the attributes that the sociologists and economic scholar cascading system. hyper partisanship, environmental degradation, high levels of inequality and low levels of solidarity as well as declining faith in institution and arising tendency to violence. and more less what i see broadly is a struggle over the meaning of america. and that expressing itself through violence. >> you say in your book, the united states is coming to an end. the question is, how? in your view, how? >> well, the book offers speculative nonfiction. there are many different ideas...