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Of his staff, tore up documents, flushed them down the toilet, took potentially really highly classified documents to mar-a-lago. there's a question about did he -- he has the power when he's currently president to declassify some of those documents. did he do that before taking them? we don't know that. but still, it really looks like he violated the presidential records act. but, yeah, does he actually face any legal peril over it? right now it seems unlikely. >> his conduct is the most important part of this but to the hypocrisy part. liz cheney says we'll have public hearings. we're not on...

Without the aca but he said it anyway without any concern for the truth and the hypocrisy part comes in because, well, how could we have stood up there for years saying that no american should not be permitted to get health care the obama way and he's going to strike it down the second he can, but kentuckians, they're different, they get to keep it. this is fascinating. you know, perry, i know this is part of your beat now. it's fascinating that obamacare, and that's the term we use, the president says it's his term so might as well use it, has caught on at the ground level with real people to...

About protecting americans and finding a balance between security and privacy. republican critics say this is an abuse of power. take a listen. >> we're going to have to find ways to deal with this big data in ways that are consistent with our values. in ways that protect people's privacy. that insure oversight, and strike the right balance. >> this is a dragnet. it's an overreach and we have to find out why this is justified simply because of the nsa wants to do some data mining. >> there's also the hypocrisy part for the president since he attacked the bush administration for this surveillan...

Allows him to have a permanent campaign, still it's just that his predecessors were either not so creative or so brazen as to try it. so so much for, you know, getting big money out of politics as the president promised when he was campaigning the first time. i mean, the hypocrisy part of this, you can almost see it from space, it's so huge. and i think that's, you know, and it's a perfectly legitimate thing to say, it's all perfectly legal, but we used to have the idea that the presidency set a standard slightly above the merely legal and that there were certain things that were seen to be un...