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Him personally? >> so far as i know. i don't point. but -- everything i know about him gives me confidence in him. >> bill crystal? >> i -- i was i was surprised b want to say he had distance, he just wasn't going to lean in. >> and he wasn't going to say, i want to say here to president trump who might be watching as he comes back from davos, don't fire robert mueller. or i be institute legislation that will stop that. >> it would be one that you wouldn't think that would be there to have trump's back on this? >> uh-huh. >> i want to switch to these steve winn allegations. carol, after readin...