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Say >> you are not important. you are elected officials, that is a message i really had to kick home to here. you are in star charge, stop asking us what we are going to do. you do it. >> you can do something. right? i.e. congress. i.e. the government. they can actually do something, people here say it is on you. we cast our votes to put you in power. it is now on you to do something, to change something. i have to say that was hearing in uvalde, texas, after the shooting of 19 children and two teachers their people, chanting at the president when he visited. do something. saying, now once aga...

Ruling on it, i personally think it was the right decision. i never understood why new york did not attempt to make more restrictive laws to avoid this. there is a previous court case that almost went to the supreme court a couple of years ago out of maryland. they were encouraged to change so that the case did not go to court. they were afraid with the potential outlook would be if they ruled against the state. i was a bit surprised that new york did not do the same thing. >> you support the supreme court ruling in new york? >> yeah, i do. i think people should have a right to carry firearms ...

To war? >> oh, it was obviously -- in some ways at this point now, having met trump a couple of times, it wasn't sort of so surprising. but it's an unusual thing to say, right? i mean if somebody's bad to me, i want to go to war? that's not obviously that you sort of want to hear. i think it shows sort of a side to him or -- this particular side, i think, is something that isn't that surprising to other people. but in the context of what has happened, i.e. since he's left office, the idea that he would still maintain these positions is surprising. >> so what did you see that day? what did you ...

The president actually believed that the election was rigged. and i was of the opinion that of course he doesn't really believe the election was rigged. this is just sort of donald trump rhetoric. but after that interview when he left and i was now thinking about what had just happened, my entire position changed. he absolutely genuinely believes that he won and that the election was stolen from him. >> and in that moment you changed your mind? >> absolutely. i changed my mind on the point that he didn't really believe it, i.e., my conclusion was that donald trump genuinely believes that he wo...

>> absolutely. i changed my mind on the point that he didn't really believe it, i.e., my con klug was that donald trump genuinely believes that he won the 2020 presidential election and that is terrifying. >> cnn had previously reported that several of donald trump's closest allies sat down for this interview after being assured that they had editorial input over the final product according to two people familiar with the situation. this claim has been denied by alex holder and his team. and joining us now to discuss this further is alex holder's lawyer, russell smith. so, russell, looking at ...