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>> second degree depraved-heart murder. >> that's a high bar. >> it is high bar. the definition of that generally is that is enormous indifference to human life. that's what this case is all about. it's about the bottom line of this is did police care enough to secure him, keep him safe take care of him when injured. that's the bottom line of this case. that's what involuntary manslaughter cases are like. >> the five officer did say give voluntary statements. we never got officer statement from goodson. correct? >> that's my understanding. correct. >> now that the legal process moves guard in ...

Of the, of 2012, he walked into the house carrying his own clothes. >> yes. bill: right? and then he went over to the toaster, put his own bagel in the toaster. he was doing it all. >> he's a can-do guy. [laughter] he's a pretty independent, wonderful guy, and i think the documentary gets a peek into his life that was a very frustrating thing as members, you know, those of us that know him and love him felt that he wasn't known very well to the public. and this is -- bill: i tell you, ann, i watched the documentary, and it was hard to turn it off. i heene, i wanted more -- i mean, i wanted mor...

He has an easy dialogue with the public, and, of course, he comes from a strong business background, so he understands branding and marketing very well. i think the important thing that he's doing is outlining and emphasizing the importance of reforming a, a formidably destructive tax program in this country. he's not necessarily -- the 9-9-9 doesn't have to be a strict interpretation, he's drawing attention to an important issue. >> that's exactly the key thing. we have to get to a radically simpler tax code that people can understand and that corporations can buy their way out of by creating...