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That's one side of the story, the other side of the story are the defendants. all of those, the 19 who have been indicted, some of them not named until the names became public, it's just a matter of time before they come to the reality, whether their family members or whether the headlines or just the daily stories about it, they come to the reality that they are working on behalf and have devoted a portion of their lives on behalf to man who simply does not care about their welfare or heel jeopardy and they will flip. we've seen evidence of one flipping just yesterday. it will happen. it will...

As you said, stanley woodward represents walt nauta in this matter. another lawyer named john irving represents carlos de oliviera. both men presumably highly sought after witnesses by the special counsel because they're the ones that actually spoke with donald trump, that could testify that trump ordered the destruction of the video. the i.t. director spoke to the other guys. jack smith would like to get their testimony. now, they're in a bit of a bind because they already charged them with lying to investigators, if they brought them before a trial as witnesses they would have to acknowledge...

Meadows may have miscalculated because if you're going to cooperate with the feds and get a deal and avoid being part of the indictment, you better make sure you're covered at the state level too, but apparently his lawyer did not make sure he got immunity at the state level so there he is named in the indictment or it's possible that he didn't give up enough information to the feds, left something out, which left him open to be prosecuted at the state level. i think that if you look back at it, you're going to see this is a major miscue for mark meadows. he could still face prison time. >> an...

It though. >> reporter: braun denied the allegations. >> what i learned from that experience was that i would never do a deal again where everyone wasn't involved in saying yes, i agree with this deal. >> reporter: now swift has famously been rerecording her albums, announcing the version of taylor's "1989" during the eras tour. >> i think instead of telling you about it, sort of showing you. >> reporter: as for braun, the rumors of the artist's exodus swirled one week later. he appeared to folk fun at the news, writing, breaking news, i'm no longer managing myself. so scooter braun making lig...

Karen, there is this debate, eight republicans on stage assuming that o doug burgum makes it, knowing he is injured on the disabled list. let's start with ron desantis at the center of the stage. complete this sentence for me, the one thing ron desantis has to avoid is blank. >> losing his cool. you know, ron desantis has had a number of moments on the campaign trail and frankly we have seen him as governor where he gets a little snarky, he snaps, there is an infamous one where he goes into a group of school children and says we're not going to wear masks. he's got to keep his cool because we ...