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Let's talk about the debate tonight. set the stage for us. >> reporter: well, look, this is an event where the former president is not present, but he is making his presence felt as much as possible. nbc has learned from an aide close to the campaign that says that they're actually going to be counting the number of times that his name is mentioned because they assume, as we all do, that it absolutely will be brought up. we know the hosts are going to be asking these candidates about the former president, and look, ana, as i've been out on the campaign trail, i've watched as these candidates h...

Attack from christie in 2016. >> what happens on that debate stage can be make or break. thank you for that walk down memory lane. >> you got it. >> and of course chris christie will be on the stage again tonight with seven other contenders. you see them all there. what do they need to do? republican strategist and msnbc political analyst, susan del percio is joining us now. susan, steve mentioned how christie all but squashed rubio's momentum going into new hampshire. so which of the candidates do you think he's going to go after on that debate stage tonight? >> well, he will go after trump, ...

And frankly, you are an adviser to pence. pence was physically put in danger as a result of all of this. >> sure. sure, he was, and i think -- storied career -- clermont institute -- advancing conservative causes. i think it's tragic to see, this is sort of the final chapter, likely in his career. but, i think you listen to his comments, and i think you can have it both ways. it's either, i'm advocating for first amendment rights to mislead the american people, i'm protected to provide falsehoods to the american people under the first amendment. or, it's, i have evidence that shows the electio...

Talking about war with the west, telling husband country to prepare for war, the next commander in chief could be a wartime president and god help us if it's joe biden. but here is the thing i want to hear. there is the military aspect, of course, but really, i think this is going to be won or lost with china economically. president trump started a huge first step with the tariffs on steel and on aluminum. but when we talk about wall street, academia, when we talk about the nba and decoupling, how are the candidates going to do that when so many aspects of america are drunk on chinese dollars....

To many people in there very angry at donald trump. you have him going to tucker carlson deliberately to rub fox news's nose in it and this is donald trump has divided the republican party for a very long time, but i remember roger ailes when trump first got in the race, just -- this is a guy that managed everything on the conservative right. roger pulling his hair out trying to figure out exactly how to work this trump thing. he never figured it out. the republicans still haven't figured it out. fox news hasn't figured it out. forgive me for going on so long here, you've grown up in the same ...