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I think the most important part about her comments in the border wall is that these are communities with a border that runs through them. it's as though the fact that you have an international border that requires being secured is just a footnote. it is unrealistic. i think it indicates the open border ideology. in the democratic party. for sure. i think there are some moderates that believe that you have to secure your border and you have to enforce your immigration laws . >> the former ice agent. so terrific to see you. we will see you very soon. guess his back on monday. neil caputo.

Else in the household. >> laura: i see your point about that john, think what's happened though is that california has set up this scenario. clearly the trump administration is not going door to door and take mommy and her kids back to mexico or whatever. they are focusing on these criminals but in the midst of where they find them because they're not being turned over expeditiously by the state they have ancillary people they find and united states. they are swept up in this precisely because we have these policies whatever you want to call them, sanctuary or not which puts down a wall betwee...

Else in the household. >> laura: i see your point about that john, think what's happened though is that california has set up this scenario. clearly the trump administration is not going door to door and take mommy and her kids back to mexico or whatever. they are focusing on these criminals but in the midst of where they find them because they're not being turned over expeditiously by the state they have ancillary people they find and united states. they are swept up in this precisely because we have these policies whatever you want to call them, sanctuary or not which puts down a wall betwee...

Not broken any laws. do you concur? >> well i think that's one of the issues here is that, you know, the constitution created state governments and federal governments. generally when it comes to law enforcement those forces work together. she is right as a state official she has a great deal of power and there are times when those powers can interfere with federal powers. it doesn't often happen that way and we certainly don't like when it does. but the question of whether she broke a specific law is unclear and likely she didn't. did the frustrate federal law enforcement, absolutely. that's ...

One, committed to their jobs, two, very humane. i brought that up example where one of the individuals who was detained had a bike and the ice agent said don't worry, we will take care of your bike. we will get it to a family member. that struck me as the humanity of these individuals. they are just doing a job that they feel more empowered to do under the trump administration. brian: the bike stays in the family. todd: the bike stays in the family. brian: with people here illegally. okay, good. 11 minutes before the top of the hour. a video unbelievable. mom and daughter used their own gun to...